T Polyphilus ([info]paradoxosalpha) wrote,
@ 2009-05-08 10:28:00
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confirming those baptized as adults
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Once in a while, I note that some people think our ceremony of confirmation in the Gnostic Catholic Church is superfluous or oxymoronic. As best as I understand it, the argument goes that since we don't inflict involuntary infant baptism on our members, they don't need to be "confirmed." I disagree with this critique, and not only (or even mostly) because of the tradition of confirmation as a cardinal sacrament of both apostolic Christian and Neognostic churches.

In primitive Christianity, adult converts went through a ceremony that included an initial exposure to the creed (and in which they also typically received bread and salt sacramentally), to inaugurate a catechumenal period in which they would prepare for full membership through baptism.

In EGC, our "baptism" takes the place of such a catechumenal ceremony, while our "confirmation" serves the role of the antique baptism, at least with respect to communal ties and individual status. It makes sense that we who are directed to "worship...with fire and blood" should have a solar and martial confirmation ceremony as the real admission to lay membership, while the watery and lunar baptism is a preliminary. (Of course, the old Piscean agenda would place the emphasis on water.)



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[info]iamsquid
2009-05-08 07:09 pm UTC (link)
I view the baptism and confirmation and the opening and closing ceremonies respectively of a person's entrance into the church. This entrance into the church is not the two ceremonies but the period between them in which the baptised is to study Thelema in detail for a firm understand of it as well as to make entirely certain this is a church they want to be a member of.

It's also important to note that it is the obligation of the sponsors to assist in the education of the baptised.

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[info]paradoxosalpha
2009-05-08 08:13 pm UTC (link)
Your view seems to accurately reflect the way that these ceremonies work--or at least should work--in current practice.

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[info]00goddess
2009-05-09 01:21 pm UTC (link)
Really? It seems to me that they almost never work that way.

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[info]paradoxosalpha
2009-05-09 01:26 pm UTC (link)
I'd be interested in your anecdotal impression of how they do work.

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[info]lionserpent
2009-06-03 12:57 am UTC (link)
Happy lesser feast, brother!

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